Descendants of Moritz Baruh and the de Dirsztays

The above chart depicts a segment of the Jewish aristocracy of Hungary that was prominent in industry; the Tornyay-Schossbergers had business interests across the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Such families were also prominent in the arts, government, diplomacy and (to a lesser extent) science. Under the Nazis, much of this cultural wealth was lost. The chart is principally drawn from the de Dirsztay tree (see note 9 below), but it has been modified to incorporate our hypothesis that Moritz Baruh was a brother of Simon Barrow of Barbados, and has also been modified to improve the Jewish naming sequences (see note 5).

Some of the Dirsztays believed that they had Baruch Lousada ancestry, even to the extent as shown above of mimicking the assumed link with the Duque de Losada of some of the Baruch Lousadas. We do not doubt that the de Dirsztays had a link with the Baruch Lousadas, but consider that this must have arisen in Livorno via the Baruch Lousadas remaining there just as occurred with the early Barrow link with the Baruch Lousadas. Thus we do not accept the erroneous Baruch Lousada linkage set out in the de Dirsztay Family Tree.

Recently we have been approached by Scott McDougall (see note 6 below), whose wife is a descendant of Bela de Dirsztay, and the above chart was prepared to illustrate how Bela relates to Istvan and Richard de Dirsztay with whom Peter Lousada had contact (see note 10 below). The chart shows hints in support of our hypothesis - namely the Italian Jewish marriage link of Moritz Baruh which is echoed by later such Italian links. Perhaps further data from Livorno will assist us, but it would seem that at the time Simon Barrow and his sister went west to Barbados around 1750 and Gedalia went to Prague, Moses went to Hungary perhaps via Timisoara and started a family there some of whom went to Budapest in the late 1700s and became Fischls and then de Dirsztays. At this time Livorno was losing its dynamism as a trading port and other opportunities were attractive.



1. The chart makes the simplifying assumption that the Ilona de Losada who married Viktor Adolf de Dirsztay was a sister of Erno Letay de Losada. This marriage would link together 2 family branches separated for some generations.

2. What is the relationship of Emma who married Gutmann Fischl to Anna who married Lajos Fischl? The de Dirstay tree answers this - Anna was a daughter of Lazar Tornyay-Schossberger and Rosalia Klein, whilst Emma was a grand-daughter of Lazar by his second wife Regina Sachs and son Simon. That is, Emma was a half-niece of Anna. Just as in the later marriage link discussed in note 1, this pair of marriages makes an earlier link between the family branches headed by Lazar 1772-1841 and his unknown brother.

3. Perhaps Milan data could assist us in tracing Moses in his supposed travel from Livorno to Timisoara.

4. Ref 35 chapter 2 provides an account of how the German imposition of surnames occurred.

5. In Richard's tree the appearance of Ignasz 1845-1917 as the son of Ignasz 1825-1907 raises questions as to whether the generation time is too small and whether a same-name father-son pair is likely enough. Accordingly we have suggested they were not father and son but that the older Ignasz was the son of Lazar Fischl and the younger Ignasz was the son of Lajos Fischl. Lajos is a Hungarian equivalent of Lazar. In this way we show Lajos 1870-1932 as the grandson of Lajos Fischl 1798-1856, and Laszlo 1860-1922 as the grandson of Lazar 1772-1841.

6. Scott McDougall on 22 Mar 2015 made a few observations on the de Dirsztay tree. His wife’s great-grandfather was Bela de Dirsztay (1861-1921). Online sources suggest to him that Bela's father Gutmann had a father named Moses not Lajos, that the father of Moses was Lazar Eleazar Fischl b~1772 in Timisoara, and an Ignasz was a brother of Moses Fischl. On the other hand, we point to the probability that Laszlo 1860-1922 was the grandson of Lazar, and hence that Gutmann was the son of Lazar not Moses. We retain the Moses suggested by Scott McDougall as a grandson of Moses bar Baruch aka Moritz Baruh. Moritz is an equivalent of Moses. Perhaps Bela is an echo of Baruch, the father of Moritz Baruh, and the (suggested) unknown brother of Lazar 1772-1841 would have been named Baruch if he was the oldest son.

7. If Moses bar Baruch was indeed a brother of Simon Barrow 1709-1801 then he was probably born in the period 1700-1720.

8. Timisoara became associated with the Austro-Hungarian Empire after its conquest in 1716 by Prince Eugene of Savoy except for a brief period of Ottoman rule in 1778-9. Perhaps after the 1716 conquest, there was Italian and Jewish investment in Timisoara, and Scott McDougall has also found online reference to this.

9. Many more details of this story can be found in the original de Dirsztay tree, provided by Richard de Dirsztay to Peter Lousada, and conveniently in the text that was extracted from it by John Bury.

10. It appears that Istvan secretly observed Peter Lousada when the latter was on a business trip to Budapest. Some time later, Richard de Dirsztay unexpectedly made contact with Peter Lousada and ultimately produced the de Dirsztay tree (see note 9 above).