The Fischls and the de Dirsztays - descendants of Moritz Baruh

The above chart depicts a segment of the Jewish aristocracy of Hungary that was prominent in industry; the Tornyay-Schossbergers had business interests across the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Such families were also prominent in the arts, government, diplomacy and (to a lesser extent) science. Under the Nazis, much of this cultural wealth was lost. The chart is principally drawn from the de Dirsztay tree (see note 9 below). It was first prepared to illustrate how Bela de Dirsztay (see note 6 below) relates to Istvan and Richard de Dirsztay with whom Peter Lousada had contact (see note 10 below).

The Dirsztays believed that they had Baruch Lousada ancestry (see note 12 below), and the chart illustrates their claimed link with the Duque de Losada, the man whose title was assumed by some of the Baruch Lousadas (see note 11). We do not doubt that the de Dirsztays had a link with the Baruch Lousadas, but consider that this must have arisen in Livorno via the Baruch Lousadas remaining there just as occurred with the early Barrow link with the Baruch Lousadas. Our hypothesis is that Moritz Baruh (see notes 3 and 7 below) was a brother of Simon Barrow of Barbados, both having a Baruch Lousada mother (see also note 13).

The chart hints at support of our hypothesis - via the Italian Jewish marriage link of Moritz Baruh which is echoed by later such Italian links. Perhaps further data from Livorno will assist us, but it would seem that at the time Simon Barrow and his sister went west to Barbados around 1750 and Gedalia went to Prague, Moses went to Hungary perhaps via Timisoara and started a family there some of whom went to Budapest in the late 1700s and became Fischls and then de Dirsztays. At this time Livorno was losing its dynamism as a trading port and other opportunities were attractive.



1. The chart points to the obvious possibility that the Ilona de Losada who married Viktor Adolf de Dirsztay was a sister of Erno Letay de Losada. If so the marriage would link together 2 family branches separated for some generations. The de Dirsztay tree is silent on this. We suggest that the permission of the Hungarian parliament to use the 'de Losada' title was sought by the Dirsztays in the light of the English Dukes' success in assuming the title of the Duque de Losada.

2. What is the relationship of Emma who married Gutmann Fischl to Anna who married Lajos Fischl? The de Dirstay tree answers this - Anna was a daughter of Lazar Tornyay-Schossberger and Rosalia Klein, whilst Emma was a grand-daughter of Lazar by his second wife Regina Sachs and son Simon. That is, Emma was a half-niece of Anna. This pair of marriages relinks family branches.

3. Moritz Baruh appeared in Timisoara in the mid-1700s.

4. Ref 35 chapter 2 provides an account of how the German imposition of surnames occurred.

5. In Richard's tree the appearance of Ignasz 1845-1917 as the son of Ignasz 1825-1907 raises questions as to whether the generation time is too small and whether a same-name father-son pair is likely enough. Accordingly we have suggested they were not father and son but that the older Ignasz was the son of Lazar Fischl and the younger Ignasz was the son of Lajos Fischl. Lajos is a Hungarian equivalent of Lazar. In this way we show Lajos 1870-1932 as the grandson of Lajos Fischl 1798-1856, and Laszlo 1860-1922 as the grandson of Lazar 1772-1841.

6. Scott McDougall on 22 Mar 2015 made a few observations on the de Dirsztay tree. His wife’s great-grandfather was Bela de Dirsztay (1861-1921). Online sources suggest to him that Bela's father Gutmann had a father named Moses not Lajos, that the father of Moses was Lazar Eleazar Fischl b~1772 in Timisoara, and an Ignasz was a brother of Moses Fischl. On the other hand, we point to the probability that Laszlo 1860-1922 was the grandson of Lazar, and hence that Gutmann was the son of Lazar not Moses. We retain the Moses suggested by Scott McDougall as a grandson of Moses bar Baruch aka Moritz Baruh. Moritz is an equivalent of Moses. Perhaps Bela is an echo of Baruch, the father of Moritz Baruh, and the (suggested) unknown brother of Lazar 1772-1841 would have been named Baruch if he was the oldest son.

7. If Moses bar Baruch was indeed a brother of Simon Barrow 1709-1801 then he was probably born in the period 1700-1720.

8. Timisoara became associated with the Austro-Hungarian Empire after its conquest in 1716 by Prince Eugene of Savoy except for a brief period of Ottoman rule in 1778-9. Perhaps after the 1716 conquest, there was Italian and Jewish investment in Timisoara, and Scott McDougall has also found online reference to this.

9. The original de Dirsztay tree was provided by Richard de Dirsztay to Peter Lousada. Conveniently its text was extracted from it by John Bury. See note 12 below for our comments on its supposed Baruch Lousada ancestry for Moritz Baruh. In addition, we suggest the tree's Jewish naming sequences appear suspect (see note 5) and we have made some resulting modifications in creating our version of it. A further modification is suggested in note 1, while note 2 explains an early link between family branches (which we adopted unchanged). Supporting historical details are discussed in notes 4 and 8.

10. It appears that Istvan noted and perhaps secretly observed Peter Lousada when the latter was on a business trip to Budapest. Some time later, Richard de Dirsztay unexpectedly made contact with Peter Lousada and ultimately produced the de Dirsztay tree (see note 9 above).

11. Of course, as the lifespan of the Duque de Losada was 1706-83, and his title was created in Naples in 1741, the claimed link lacks authenticity, for Moritz Baruh was of the same vintage as the Duque who was childless. A branch of the Jamaican/English Baruch Lousadas assumed the title as from 1848, but this assumption also lacked authenticity! Nevertheless we think this curious parallel points to a connection between the families.

12. We provide a comment here on the Baruch Lousada ancestry for Moritz Baruh which is given in Richard's tree, and as can be seen we believe the de Dirsztay account has too many errors to be credible.

13. Their father is the subject of another hypothesis, made because the Barrows retained links to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.